(Someone had written in about a Libra-Pisces relationship possibilitiy)

I have heard people say that quincunxes are the hardest aspects for relationships, because "the two signs have absolutely nothing in common." I don't necessarily agree with that. But case by case, each is a unique situation. For example Taurus-Libra, in general, make a lot more sense together, because they are both Venus ruled (although Aries-Scorpio, both Mars ruled, is generally harder), than Libra-Pisces. I'm not saying that a Libra and a Pisces cannot be perfect for each other, but i think these signs have some huge differences. Libra is one of the least emotional signs (it's symbol, the scales, is the only non-living symbol of all the signs), where Pisces is probably the most emotional sign. I'd say for a Libra and a Pisces to be really right for each other, the Libra would need a lot of water, and the Pisces would probably need a far amount of air. Libra really needs a certain emotional independence in a partner, and Pisces is not exactly that. I'd mainly look at the Moon, Asc, Venus, Mars to round out the picture.

Interestingly i find that there is always something completely identical about quincunx signs, which is completely opposite the conventional wisdom about them. For example, Libra and Pisces are the two most indecisive signs, are both very yielding and relaxed, and they are both true romantics. True, quincunx signs are not the same gender, element, or mode, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Can anyone think of any quincunx signs that you can't see a major similarity within? Throw it out and i'll respond.

Another pro-quincunx in relationship thing comes to me from the Magi astrology, where a quincunx is considered the other great aspect in addition to conjunctions and trines, except in the case of Saturn. And within their system, i have seen this be true. Also interesting that yods factor as positive geometry to them, and yods contain two quincunxes.

Overall, i think quincunxes are a case-by-case scenario in relationships. Especially when other planets help them out, they can be really good. The way i've always described a quincunx relationship, in the case of a relationship that basically flows, is that there will always be something about the other person that doesn't totally agree with you, but it doesn't have to be a big deal. It's like one person ALWAYS leaves the toilet seat up, and the other ALWAYS has to put it down. You can just accept that the toilet seat situation will never change, and not make a big deal out of it. In some cases though, the difference might be bigger than the toilet seat.

In my case, Capricorn and Pisces Suns are my quincunx Sun signs. Capricorn has always been one of my two best signs for relationship, mainly because of my Cancer Moon (Sun-Moon on the same axis is very good). But i've almost never been good friends with a Pisces, ever! I just don't attract Pisces Suns in my life, even with Venus in Virgo. So the quincunxes seem case by case to me, and highly dependent on other chart placements. This is different than a square, because a square is absolutely always guaranteed to be in-and-of-itself hard, although not necessarily bad. A little square energy can be a good thing, especially for some good ol' "growth challenges."

Aloha,

Moses

P.S. Is there any woman who can explain why it makes more sense for men to always leave the toilet seat down? I've already been trained by the amazons, so i put it down anyway, but i have yet to hear why it makes logical sense. Wouldn't it be more fair to just have everyone move it to wherever they want it? Can't you gals just look down before sitting? Do you just want the men to touch the toilet seat twice during each trip to the john, and never have to touch it yourself? What's up with that? Is this what's become of chivalry? :)

12/10 Response from 'Oldshoebailey'

OK!

In response to the seatie dilema LOL here is my say. Picture this if you
will. From childhood you have been as near sighted as a bat. You were
raised in a house with 6 female siblings and an ocassional visiting male
step parent. It has been a long day and you have removed your contacts to
go to bed. After a Luxurious 1 hour and 47 minutes of sleep you gained after
being lulled to dreamland listening to Jay Leno. Nature calls...... not
nicely but demanding with the extra help of an 8 month along inhabitant of
your belly shoving their foot into your bladder. Not that most of their
body didnt rest their anyhow reducing your badder to a 15 minute to go
version. So you stumble towards the amber nightlighted vision af relief.
You know the source of pretty much the only thing at this point that can
give you any sort of physical pleasure.. well as you near the porcelon you
can not see it below you. One can only hope that after nightly x 20 tips
there each night the right spot is subconciously ingrained in your memory so
you make your approach still in a quasi sleep status becuase you have
learned to make these trips now without actually waking up. when...
whaaaaaahhoooooooooo! your posterier meets the frigid wetness unstopped by
that saftey ring known as a seat. To add insult to it the girth of your
body prevants you from extracating yourself from this situation and
humiliated you find yourself screaching at the top of your lungs for the
culprit of your demise to come rescue you from the porcelon bear trap that
bit your butt!! Henceforth a women will be affected by seat trauma. even
once our body has evicted its tenant and we can now see the depostited
yellow flowers left on the rim men do not wish to drop the seat down and
cover it is now a matter of dignity and principle and any occasion finding
an erect toilet seat will send a woman into instant flashbacks including the
screaming. And that my good sir is my version of the "up or down" wars....
Now.. which way did you say you hung the tissue on the spindle? LOL

Noreene :o)

My christmas gift to all those with more staid signs... a grain of salt to
use whenever encountering my humor LOL :o)

12/10 Cancer-Aquarius

(Someone asked me what the similarity is between Cancer and Aquarius)

Principally, i find that both signs are very encouraging and supportive towards others. Interestingly, the Sag-Aqua-Cancer yod forms a sign-geometry of the three most positive and supportive signs towards others gifts. Leo and Libra can also be pretty good at encouragement, and Gemini can be too.

Cancer and Aquarius can also have a lot of interest in local community, although there can also be seen a possible difference in valuing 'home and family' (Cancer) over 'community and friends' (Aquarius). But Cancer can certainly also be very locally community-minded.

Cancer and Aquarius are also two of the most rapidly changing signs. Cancer is ruled by the rapidly changing Moon and Aquarius by the constantly storming Uranus. Ever known an Aquarius-Cancer woman? I dated an Aquarius Sun, Cancer Rising, Moon in Pisces woman for almost a year. Nothing was ever the same in our relationship for more than about three or four days at a time. Pretty tough for my Venus and Mars in Earth.

And both Cancer and Aquarius can have a strong tendency of withdrawing from responsibility to enter their inner or imaginative worlds.

Granted they are not the most similar signs, and i would say that they form one of the more difficult quincunxes, but there are some things about them that are practically identical, like every other quincunx possibility.

In relationship it's probably better if the male is the Cancer and the female is the Aquarius, as it would somewhat balance out natural male-female energies--the male being more feeling-oriented, and the woman being more independent.

Aloha,

Moses

12/11 A Lady Speaks

How about Leo and Pisces with respect to Mercury being in those signs of two
people? Mercury aspects are crucial in relationships I believe, because it
determines how you both think and communicate with each other. It may be much more important than the sun sign. I have this with someone and what I've read and found about quincunx mercury placements are that they are characterized by sort of a coming together and then departing from each other for periods
of time. I think this is a VERY unfortunate placement of mercury in a
comparison chart don't you? BTW, I have found this to be true with this
friend. Another thing about Leo Mercury and Pisces Mercury is that Leo
Mercury is very straight forward and likes all the cards laid out on the
table and means what s/he says. Pisces Mercury on the other hand may seem to
agree - even emphatically - on the surface (maybe not to make waves) for
the time being but the next day may say, do, act just the opposite! It is
VERY frustrating for the Mercury Leo (that'd be me, lol) let me tell you.

Maybe inconjuncts are auspicious for the romance planets of Venus, Chiron,
Jupiter and Neptune in Magi Astrology, but everything conventional astro ever
taught me about this aspect was that it was challenge and at least for this
Mercury example it sure is in my experience.

12/11 Me Again; Plus Leo-Pisces

Granted that is a difficult aspect, especially with Mercury. My basic point is that there are always very interesting similarities between quincunx signs, although i agree that they are generally difficult, although i do think it's best to go case by case. We've already seen some good feedback from Taurus-Libra, which is almost definitely the most compatible quincunx. I think the following quincunxes can also be reasonably compatible, with a little help from other placements, of course: Taurus-Sag (indulgence and the outdoors anyone?), Gemini-Cap (particularly the business-minded and social varieties), Leo-Cap (ambition understands ambition), Virgo-Aqu (great minds might think alike).

Leo and Pisces are perhaps the two most romantic signs. The Leo-Libra-Pisces sign yod is the 'romantic' yod. They both love the fairy tale scenario, so dramatic love displays go over quite well with these two.

And yes, they are the two most dramatic signs.

They both tend to be creative and artistic types.

Leo and Pisces are also both very generous and giving signs as well.

They are also both very spiritually inclined and intuitive.

And on a more superficial level, they are, to my knowledge, the two signs that most like to sleep long hours.

But despite some interesting similarites, they can certainly have their differences. Leo's need for loyalty and honesty, and Pisces' relative (meaning relative to other signs) lack of both (at least from Leo's perspective) is difficult. And the selfless instincts of Pisces versus the need for self-fulfillment of Leo is hard. It's also very easy for these two to get into patterns where the Leo plays the dominant/control person, and Pisces plays along with the humbler role, setting up an unhealthy dynamic that almost always eventually collapses.

My basic finding and feeling is that nice conjunctions and oppositions can make quincunx planets doable, although there is always some difficulty involved, especially depending on which signs are involved.

Aloha,
Moses

12/11 The Dropsies

Moses,

Everyone should leave the toilet seat AND LID down so that you don't have
to fish anything out of the bowl if you have the dropsies. But most
importantly, the safety of children and pets.

Besides, it looks better.

(Someone else wrote it and said the toilet seat down is better for feng shui, too)


12/13 The Lady Speaks Again

Hmm,

I think Case by case you will perhaps find lots of these combos but as far as
the Leo Cappy combo goes, I have spoken to lots of Leo women married to or
dating or even with Cappy sons and all of them agree that Cappys work WAY too
much for Leo's taste. Leo's can give play and work equal priority. Cappy's
can't understand that. Plus Cappy's are way too serious. Two of my best
friends are a Cappy man and a Leo woman who I used to work with. I will admit
these two are now married however, I don't know if they both were just sick
of being alone and found each other acceptable and took the plunge or are
really happy. There is a definite seriousness about their relationship. I
rarely see either of them laugh or act silly the way she used to with other
men she dated. I definitely agree that she liked his ambition. I'm a Leo
though and an ambitious workaholic wouldn't be my cup of tea. There would
have to be lots of non Cappy influences in the chart for me to take on a
Cappy. Leo women like men who want to spend time with them...not just
whatever time is leftover after working an 80 hour work week.

An old coworker of his who I was dating (an Aqua) and I set the two of them
up. My then boyfriend and I especially my b/f didn't think they'd last but I
guess they proved him wrong...at least for the time being..and hopefully
forever for their sake. It is just odd to see how peoples behavior changes
based on who they are around.

Also what about house placement? I think house placement can pose some MAJOR challenges to an otherwise seemingly very compatible chart as far as signs
and aspects go. I'm thinking, for example, if one person has most of their
planets in the other person's 7th house and the other person has their
palnets scattered around in lets say the other's 12th house, the 4th house,
6th house and 10th house. The person whose plants fall in the others 7th
house sees that person as an ideal mate...or at least feels a strong
attraction to them whereas the other person doesn't feel any attraction to
speak of or,maybe even feels uncomfortable, and furthermore the strong vibes
from the other person may send him running in the opposite direction! LOL
What do you think of this theory? The Neville book, Planets in Synastry
talks a lot about this. Ever since reading this book and internalizing it,
whenever I meet someone new, if I just can find out their birthdate, I can
quickly determine whether they will like me or not even before we meet by
looking at the house placements.


12/13 Me again; Leo-Capricorn

x may be our universal answer on the Leo-Cap quincunx compatibility (she wrote in a message about how great her marriage is with her Capricorn husband, she being a Leo), which confirms what i pretty much feel and have also found, both with myself and in observing others. Granted, there is a possibility of the seriousness issue, and too much Saturnian criticism can be a big bummer for Leos, but i think the cat and goat have a lot going for them. The mature-elder and the goofy-youth can be a cute tandem, plus Cap has enough devotion to satisfy Leo's loyalty quota, and they both love to look good for the public, and understand and respect ambition. Often the Cap gets off on the being the responsible one, and that's an easy contrast to make with a Leo, so that the two really don't mind these roles, but kind of enjoy them. Yes there are your boring-as-a-rock Capricorns, but more often Capricorns are every bit as polished-for-approval as Leos, and thus quite interesting playmates for the tiggers. Plus Capricorns are just wiser than Leos, which in most cases is plenty insurance to keep the Caps from ever feeling inferior, and keeps the Leos from ever feeling superior for very long. As much as Capricorns are considered cardinal leaders, i find that unless they are loaded with Leo placements, Capricorns are quite natural and graceful in also accepting a kind of supportive role. Capricorns can play the lead or the supporting actor. That's good for Leo because the same cannot generally be said about lions, although a Leo woman can somewhat play the supporting actress if she feels her man is sufficiently studly. All in all, i say yea more than nea on the Leo-Cap quincunx.

As to looking at houses in compatibility, i don't really do too much with it, unless there's something obvious. If one person has an in-house stellium, i would definitely consider that a big part of that person, and so i would factor that in. For example, even though i'm a Scorp Rising with an 8th house Cancer Moon, i probably wouldn't be a great match for someone with a loaded 8th house, because i like relationships, but ultimately i like other things better. But i pretty much never put someone's planets in someone else's houses, or even do the same with a solar return chart and a natal chart. I have enough to look at already without a lot of house-to-house notes. I know some like to do so, and I know there's something to it, but, you know, it's just not my bag, baby.

Aloha,

Moses


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